Not Limited to 8 Buses

[AudioTestKitchen]

I got some decent time in the driver's seat tonight, and I was kicking the tires a little with MB2. I'm happy to report that MixBus is not limited to simply 8 buses as their marketing lit would lead us to believe.

Here's my setup.
1.) Broadcast Announcer
2.)Show Host
3.) Show Guest
4.) Aux Sum for all vox
5.) Mixbus Stereo Bus 1 "Vox"

I disabled the outputs from 1, 2, and 3. The only output is from 4 (the aux bus) going to Stereo Bus 1. If you look at the meters, you'll see that the signal path works. Vox Sum is running pretty hot, because 3 signals are going to it.

   

   

   

   


I think the key (which was initially confusing to me) is that you have to choose the inputs for the Aux instead of the outputs of each channel.

The only problem that I've found so far (and this could possibly be an operator error on my part) is that it seems like panning loses its value in this signal flow, even though I made the Aux Sum stereo. Changing the panning values didn't move the source across the sound stage.

Make sense? Questions? Hit me!

-James

[Gálosi László]

I don't see, how much differs this routing from the buss assignments leds, you can assign multiple tracks to a mixbus, and one track to multiple mixbusses. And the panning lose is a big issue. So it doesn't mean unlimited delay compensated mixbus count.
Have you read the schematicks of the signal flow in the user manual. There are pre-fader, and post-fader points in the channel strip, you can insert sends and plugins, and external hardware inserts, and you can configure sends exactly like mixbuss assignments leds, you have the panning, or before eq and comp or after points (via post fader sends) but I think the delay compensation doesn't works with normal sends.

[Gálosi László]

Oh ok, I get the point, to use a Channel Strip as aux channel via souting the outputs of other tracks. Great, I will thest this with parallel porocessing to ensre its compansated for plugin delay, but the panning limitiation still an issue.

[AudioTestKitchen]

Oh ok, I get the point, to use a Channel Strip as aux channel via routing the outputs of other tracks. Great, I will test this with parallel processing to ensre its compensated for plugin delay, but the panning limitation still an issue.

Exactly: parallel processing. You can burn through 8 mix-buses pretty quickly if you use a lot of parallel processing. I haven't noticed any latency-comp problems. I'd be interested to hear about your testing/findings.

I'll double-check the panning issues tonight to see if I can pin that down.

Cheers.

-James

[Suds]

Oh ok, I get the point, to use a Channel Strip as aux channel via routing the outputs of other tracks. Great, I will test this with parallel processing to ensre its compensated for plugin delay, but the panning limitation still an issue.

Exactly: parallel processing. You can burn through 8 mix-buses pretty quickly if you use a lot of parallel processing. I haven't noticed any latency-comp problems. I'd be interested to hear about your testing/findings.

I'll double-check the panning issues tonight to see if I can pin that down.

Cheers.

-James

Took me a bit to figure this out as well.....I too thought there were only 8 buses, which I would burn through as well.....now all of a sudden there are 8 "special" buses, and as many as you like of the same old buses that are in other DAWS

[Jouvert]

This is very true. I guess that is why, when you are setting up a new channel, you have a choice between tracks/busses (which also look like tracks). So instead of sending via the channel strip buttons (analog), you could send as was described (digitally like is normally done with cubase etc.) by Audio Testkitchen.

[Suds]

I get the routing thing, but I can't seem to send 4 mono ACC guitar tracks that are panned differently to a bus track (not one of the 8 busses) and have it be in stereo????

I want to EQ them all in one shot with the channel strip EQ because it is more flexible that the bus EQ, and they are basically the same sound.....then I want to send that track to one of the 8 busses. I get all this done, but its mono? I created a stereo bus track and sent the 4 acoustics but I lose the panning?

So, I gave up and sent them to one of the 8 buses and put an EQ plugin on that, but i didn't want to do that......

I hope I am explaining myself well.......What am I doing wrong?

[Support@Harrison]

Suds: if you create a send in a mono track, the send will also be mono.

You can probably solve your problem by double-clicking the send, and click "Add Output" to add a second "output" to the send. Then a stereo panner will appear and you can pan the signal left and right. Make sure to connect the 2 output ports sensibly to the bus track.

We created the 8 mixbuses to avoid those typical DAW bussing/panning complications.

[Suds]

I figured it was do able.....I'll give that a shot......what would also solve this is if you could just copy EQ settings.I have 4 acoustic guitars that were pretty much recorded the same, so I just wanted to EQ them in one shot.....the idea is to get a big washy acc sound.

Not a biggies though, I can just manually do it.....or maybe I should EQ each one a little different to create a better sound.....hmmmm.....is mixbus making me a less lazy, and therefore a better, mixer????

[nachoestasborracho]

Hey there, this thread got me wondering if the "utility buses" are actually being compensated in a setup like this?
I have asked on this topic before and i thought i had nailed it but i would really appreciate further explanations about the compensation and how it works on the utility buses.

If the answer is that they are not being compensated with the tracks and mixbuses, do you plan any change for that in the future?
Or is there a way to change that as users?

I find myself trying to use several reverbs and i find buses handy for this, but im using convolution reverbs with the highest the buffer they can for better/lighter processing and in those cases i've found the latency starts to be noticeble
For what I understand the utility buses would process their audio through their strip, plugins chain and go to their out (that could be the master or a mixbus) without taking care of other tracks situation or their own introduced latency, am I right?
So if they had no plugins they would pass the audio with no latency, would the built in eq/comp introduce latency?

Thanks, and sorry but i really want to get this as deep as i can.
Ignacio